NG Models December 2024 Hints

[planes_on_a_shelf]

You said it doesn't make sense to wish for these. I say it does.
Spend 1 point on the KLM and get +2 in return, granted CRP works the way they say it does. So it makes no sense NOT to vote on stuff like this.

In case of the KLM 321, my point was wasted. KLM airframes with a white belly/engines are a no deal.

Shouldn't it be a very very pale grey? Hopefully they fix it

 

[YesterAirlines]

You said it doesn't make sense to wish for these. I say it does.
Spend 1 point on the KLM and get +2 in return, granted CRP works the way they say it does. So it makes no sense NOT to vote on stuff like this.

In case of the KLM 321, my point was wasted. KLM airframes with a white belly/engines are a no deal.

I'm confused. What colour should the engines and belly be?

 

[Phantom]

Shouldn't it be a very very pale grey? Hopefully they fix it

Yes, but I just now see they did quite a few KLM "whites" already.

 

[YesterAirlines]

This is the Gemini artwork for the same model. Looks white to me and they have the official colours presumably? In photos it looks white to me so it must be an incredibly pale grey if it is grey

 

[Phantom]

This is the Gemini artwork for the same model. Looks white to me and they have the official colours presumably?

But license takers get their info from branding/marketing, not the tech. department.
Ask LH for the colors on their airframe's wings and you'll get "white" in return even though the truth on an A350 or Neo is different.

Maybe it all boils down to what the tech. can "sell" to their branding guys as "white". White (as in pure white) quickly looks dirty, light pale grey performs a lot better here - Matterhorn "white" is a good name for it and is just one of a thousand shades of "white". And all of these 1000 look white when viewed stand alone, but don't as soon as there's a "whiter" white next to it.

 

[planes_on_a_shelf]

This is the Gemini artwork for the same model. Looks white to me and they have the official colours presumably? In photos it looks white to me so it must be an incredibly pale grey if it is grey

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Yes it is a very very pale grey - and it's evident in many photos - but also if you're a designer picking the right shade of white (like I do often )

I did a quick Google and this came up - it indeed is a cool grey -

The new KLM livery: an in depth look at all the changes – Norebbo

 

[Mark22]

There's indeed a tiny difference, but I really wouldn't be bothered with it. The belly is almost never in direct sunlight, meaning it looks a little darker already. As described in the article: "It’s actually a shade of cool gray that looks pure white in most lighting conditions."

 

[AustrianCollector]

I agreed with you but there is one thing that many not notice:the timeframe between release announcement and actual model photo post is relatively short (2 weeks) for the last 2-3 releases. That could hint the models should have been in the production line by the time the release was announced, which means that the release idea and artwork are done in some time before. I guess that the requested models are on the artwork drawing board. So patience is the key though. But i honestly don’t want to see a requested model being made as a “lite” version.

They should take their time to make sure that the models are produced well. And yes, it would be a pity for the wished models to be Lite. Imagine the Eastern Tristar without all the intricate details. That would be a sin! Although I didn't want to buy the Qantas 787 Yam, it was a let-down for it to be released as Lite.

 

[Ciderman]

Given the fact that colours look definitely darker on smaller areas, changing the colour from white to a light grey might result in something we do not want.

 

[planes_on_a_shelf]

Given the fact that colours look definitely darker on smaller areas, changing the colour from white to a light grey might result in something we do not want.

In this case, it's a substantial portion of the fuselage - almost 50%, and of course the entire rudder. Even a very pale grey makes a difference - see the Hainan greys on NG's models - granted in this case, it's probably a 0.1% or 0.05%,but you will make out the difference against a stark white background. Which is why the KLMs look 'soft' against any backdrop - perception and shadow will make the eye perceive, besides softening the contrast against the fuselage blues

 

[Phantom]

Yes it is a very very pale grey - and it's evident in many photos - but also if you're a designer picking the right shade of white (like I do often )

I did a quick Google and this came up - it indeed is a cool grey -

The new KLM livery: an in depth look at all the changes – Norebbo

I wouldn't trust info on this page too much. The color reference on the KLM clearly is wrong as it gives the same color codes for all details.


There's at least two "shades of white" on the real KLM livery:
White as in "white" (no clue which exact shade):
- v.tail
- titles
- rego
- door outlines
- winglet inner sides
...

Pale grey (again, no clue which one):
- belly
- engine nacelles
- winglet outer sides

Here's a quick reference using one of Dirk Grothes fantastic photos (always good for referencing)
I added two colored bars for better reference:

 

[Ciderman]

In this case, it's a substantial portion of the fuselage - almost 50%, and of course the entire rudder. Even a very pale grey makes a difference - see the Hainan greys on NG's models - granted in this case, it's probably a 0.1% or 0.05%,but you will make out the difference against a stark white background. Which is why the KLMs look 'soft' against any backdrop - perception and shadow will make the eye perceive, besides softening the contrast against the fuselage blues

What I mean is every colour looks darker in miniatures. That's why manufacturers using Lufthansa's correct colour code for grey produce models that turn out much too dark (e.g. Herpa or Phoenix). So this KLM would require a delicate paint job that few 1/400 manufacturers are capable of.

 

[Ciderman]

I wouldn't trust info on this page too much. The color reference on the KLM clearly is wrong as it gives the same color codes for all details.


There's at least two "shades of white" on the real KLM livery:
White as in "white" (no clue which exact shade):
- v.tail
- titles
- rego
- door outlines
- winglet inner sides
...

Pale grey (again, no clue which one):
- belly
- engine nacelles
- winglet outer sides

Here's a quick reference using one of Dirk Grothes fantastic photos (always good for referencing)
I added two colored bars for better reference:

With two different shades of white on one model I agree that using one colour only is dubious.

 

[Phantom]

With two different shades of white on one model I agree that using one colour only is dubious.

Thanks, that's my very point.
I have no problems when - for example - a Delta airframe is modeled with a white fuselage as the real thing also looks pure white without any other white reference available. But here I'd 100% expect the two different shades to be modeled.

 

[planes_on_a_shelf]

I wouldn't trust info on this page too much. The color reference on the KLM clearly is wrong as it gives the same color codes for all details.


There's at least two "shades of white" on the real KLM livery:
White as in "white" (no clue which exact shade):
- v.tail
- titles
- rego
- door outlines
- winglet inner sides
...

Pale grey (again, no clue which one):
- belly
- engine nacelles
- winglet outer sides

Here's a quick reference using one of Dirk Grothes fantastic photos (always good for referencing)
I added two colored bars for better reference:

Ah! Makes sense now
I've always wondered why the rudder shone brighter even if marginally so - and assumed it's because of the light just falling on a more 'flatter' surface.

Quick question - did the recent GJ E2 show two different 'white' tones - will be interesting to see

GJ does get their colours on the model wrong though - perhaps they do not strictly follow the codes and make adjustments? - the recent Condors are a good example

 

[planes_on_a_shelf]

Thanks, that's my very point.
I have no problems when - for example - a Delta airframe is modeled with a white fuselage as the real thing also looks pure white without any other white reference available. But here I'd 100% expect the two different shades to be modeled.

Absolutely agree with this as well

 

[BHD]

For December:

13109 KLM Royal Dutch Airlines A321neo PH-AXA(name"Koninginnepage / Swallowtail")(2024.12)
13112 Wizz Air A321neo HA-LGI(Team Hungary livery)(2024.12)
13113 Wizz Air UK A321neo G-WUKY("mask" cockpit window)(2024.12)
13115 Wizz Air A321neo HA-LVW("mask" cockpit window)(2024.12)
13116 Wizz Air Malta A321neo 9H-WAT("mask" cockpit window)(2024.12)
13117 Wizz Air Abu Dhabi A321neo A6-WAC(2024.12)
13118 Wizz Air Abu Dhabi A321neo A6-WAD(2024.12)
13119 KLM Royal Dutch Airlines A321neo PH-AXB(named "Braamvlinder / Peach Blossom")(2024.12)
61096 Delta Air Lines A330-200 N857NW(2024.12)
61097 Luke Air A330-200 9H-RTU(2024.12)
61098 Luke Air A330-200 9H-PTN(2024.12)
62068 Delta Air Lines A330-300 N815NW(2024.12)
62070 Hainan Airlines A330-300 B-1020(2024.12)
62071 Hainan Airlines A330-300 B-5905(2024.12)
39083 Thai Airways International A350-900 HS-THU(Star Alliance)(2024.12)
39085 Thai Airways International A350-900 HS-THQ(Star Alliance)(2024.12)
39086 Air China A350-900 B-308M(Star Alliance)(2024.12)
39087 Air China A350-900 B-308M(Star Alliance)(2024.12)
39089 Air France A350-900 F-HUVJ(with PARIS 2024 sticker)(2024.12)
87002 Southwest Airlines 737 MAX 7 N7207Z(2024.12)
07041 Iran Air 747SP EP-IAC(last flight)(2024.12)
07042 Iran Air 747SP EP-IAA(grey engine cowlings with logo, named "Persian Gulf")(2024.12)
78013 Atlas Air 747-8F N863GT(the last 747 in bare metal livery)(Exclusive)(2024.12)
78032 Atlas Air(Qantas Freight) 747-8F N856GT(fantasy hybrid colors)(2024.12)
73039 British Airways 777-300ER G-STBF(fantasy retro livery; with GE engines)(Exclusive)(2024.12)
24014 China Southern Airlines 787-8 Dreamliner B-2725(equipped with Rolls-Royce engines(official product from CSAIR))(2024.12)
24015 China Southern Airlines 787-8 Dreamliner B-2788(equipped with Pratt & Whitney engines(official product from CSAIR))(2024.11)
CAO017 Air China Cargo 747-8F B-2488(fantasy livery; "Cargo" in black font)(2024.12)
CAO018 Air China Cargo 747-8F B-2489(fantasy livery; “Cargo” in red font)(2024.12)

Another bland list from NG

I do not get another fantasy 77W from BA NG is getting very tedious… would have really preferred a normal livery with reg G-STBP…
Air France a350 yes . It has a sticker
But the Wizz air a321 and delta a330 are coming home
NG is giving us a “very merry Christmas”…for sure

 

[B767Avia]

Four fantasies is four too many. The Delta 330s seem like reasonably good choices.