swagninja84
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So then how do you know GJ is "high quality" without comparing it to the competition?
GeminiJets is High Quality in 2026!
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Starz10p Aviation
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Just look at the E190
compare that to say an NG 737. Similar quality.
The reason these threads get up people's noses is because they are never backed up with anything except anecdotal evidence and popular opinion of what people think they've heard on Instagram, TikTok etc - hardly locations for serious analysis or thought frankly. Plus you only listen to what you want to. The reason people on forums laugh at these is because they tend to be better educated in the models and know what they are talking about.
Plus this is aimed entirely at an American audience and the forum is very international.
None of these key takeaways stack up at all:
Key takeaways from 2025:
• Improved Quality: Collectors noted significant improvements in printing, cleaner production runs, and fewer broken models THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP
• Positive Quality Control (QC): Complaints about broken models, awkward printing, and poor colors significantly decreased, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP
• Diverse Release Choices: Gemini Jets offered a consistent set of popular airlines globally, including Heltvic, Jet 2, LL, Saudia, TUI, WhizAir, Biner, Carroll, Cubana, and Norse I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO WASTE MY TIME DOING THE STATS FOR YOU BUT THIS ISN'T TRUE
• Strong Retro Subjects: 2025 was a great year for retro aircraft, including Delta Ron Allen MD-80s, retro Emirates, United Boeing 737-500, Northwest Boeing 77-300, US Air Force C5 Galaxy, Jalo MD90, China's Northern MD90, and Midwest 717 ENTIRELY CONJECTURAL. I DON'T THINK THEY HAD A GREAT YEAR FOR RETRO PRODUCTS. IT WAS OK
• Subtle Enhancements: Small but appreciated improvements were noted in printing density, surface detailing, landing gear design, and finish quality THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP
@CM Aviation you keep on posting these kind of videos and they amount to puff pieces. You can't talk to 3 of those points without gathering statistics from retailers I know you haven't bothered to gather or undertaken collector surveys again you haven't done.
This isn't a Gemini bashing take. They've had an ok year but they remain easily one of the weakest of the 400 scale brands and only someone who collected only US airliners and didn't buy other brands would consider them otherwise by pretty much any metric.
Plus this is aimed entirely at an American audience and the forum is very international.
None of these key takeaways stack up at all:
Key takeaways from 2025:
• Improved Quality: Collectors noted significant improvements in printing, cleaner production runs, and fewer broken models THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP
• Positive Quality Control (QC): Complaints about broken models, awkward printing, and poor colors significantly decreased, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP
• Diverse Release Choices: Gemini Jets offered a consistent set of popular airlines globally, including Heltvic, Jet 2, LL, Saudia, TUI, WhizAir, Biner, Carroll, Cubana, and Norse I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO WASTE MY TIME DOING THE STATS FOR YOU BUT THIS ISN'T TRUE
• Strong Retro Subjects: 2025 was a great year for retro aircraft, including Delta Ron Allen MD-80s, retro Emirates, United Boeing 737-500, Northwest Boeing 77-300, US Air Force C5 Galaxy, Jalo MD90, China's Northern MD90, and Midwest 717 ENTIRELY CONJECTURAL. I DON'T THINK THEY HAD A GREAT YEAR FOR RETRO PRODUCTS. IT WAS OK
• Subtle Enhancements: Small but appreciated improvements were noted in printing density, surface detailing, landing gear design, and finish quality THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP
@CM Aviation you keep on posting these kind of videos and they amount to puff pieces. You can't talk to 3 of those points without gathering statistics from retailers I know you haven't bothered to gather or undertaken collector surveys again you haven't done.
This isn't a Gemini bashing take. They've had an ok year but they remain easily one of the weakest of the 400 scale brands and only someone who collected only US airliners and didn't buy other brands would consider them otherwise by pretty much any metric.
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I bought nearly 200 new 400 scale models this year and 5 were Geminis - 4 of which were sent to me by YankeeVictor for review as a sponsorship arrangement. Gemini are not releasing a lot of what I want and I would imagine a lot of what a lot of collectors want.
This is nonsense again. You don't speak for the general public you speak for the echo chamber you operate in. I got the Frontier and I'd sell it in a heartbeat for a better version. None of the other models you mention use particularly high quality castings or came without issues.
Just look at the E190
The JC/GJ E190 is no way near the same quality as an NG 737. The NG 737 is a near perfect mould and the E-Jet needs an entirely new front end and a correctly placed nosegear.
Critical Aviator
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No broken models in 2026 ? The most any brand can do is QC to reduce the number of broken models, number of broken models which will never reach zero.
I still don't have total confidence on GJ necesserarily releasing a good product. Don't get me wrong, GJ can release great models but I am still not forgiving them for the Air France 777-300ER they have released in 2024 on a mould that should never have existed in the first place and I have no idea if they have such outdated products still waiting to be released despite having better moulds available. Yes, some of the moulds they use do need to be improved but that's up to JC Wings to decide if they want to do so or not. Impoved A320s and 737s from JC/GJ in 2026 would be much needed but I think it's wishful thinking. I would love to be wrong on that though. On the topic of quality, I think it is only fair that we hold GJ to a high standard as they themselves do. The only brand I have seen statements like 'GeminiJets brings you the highest quality precision diecast metal airliners' and 'Superior quality' written on boxes is GeminiJets. No other brand in my experience as a collector brags about having the best quality as much as GJ does. Not to mention that current GJ MSRPs are very close to NG MSRPs if there even is a gap to begin with.
As for release choices, it really depends on who you're asking. GJ's releases are mostly good if you collect North American models, Emirates models and models from the rest of the Western hemisphere (Europe, Australia...). Releases from the rest of the world remain the exception, not the rule. GJ may releases popular models but that doesn't mean the same models will be of interest to me. But if they make something you want, then I can see the praise but GJ still didn't have the most diverse releases of 2025. That accolade belongs to Phoenix and Aeroclassics. The irony is that currently, NG still makes more models of interest to me than GJ does. And I have my problems with NG's releases too. Sure there are models I would buy from GJ but most of what they're releasing right now aren't those models.
But those are just my thoughts.
I still don't have total confidence on GJ necesserarily releasing a good product. Don't get me wrong, GJ can release great models but I am still not forgiving them for the Air France 777-300ER they have released in 2024 on a mould that should never have existed in the first place and I have no idea if they have such outdated products still waiting to be released despite having better moulds available. Yes, some of the moulds they use do need to be improved but that's up to JC Wings to decide if they want to do so or not. Impoved A320s and 737s from JC/GJ in 2026 would be much needed but I think it's wishful thinking. I would love to be wrong on that though. On the topic of quality, I think it is only fair that we hold GJ to a high standard as they themselves do. The only brand I have seen statements like 'GeminiJets brings you the highest quality precision diecast metal airliners' and 'Superior quality' written on boxes is GeminiJets. No other brand in my experience as a collector brags about having the best quality as much as GJ does. Not to mention that current GJ MSRPs are very close to NG MSRPs if there even is a gap to begin with.
As for release choices, it really depends on who you're asking. GJ's releases are mostly good if you collect North American models, Emirates models and models from the rest of the Western hemisphere (Europe, Australia...). Releases from the rest of the world remain the exception, not the rule. GJ may releases popular models but that doesn't mean the same models will be of interest to me. But if they make something you want, then I can see the praise but GJ still didn't have the most diverse releases of 2025. That accolade belongs to Phoenix and Aeroclassics. The irony is that currently, NG still makes more models of interest to me than GJ does. And I have my problems with NG's releases too. Sure there are models I would buy from GJ but most of what they're releasing right now aren't those models.
But those are just my thoughts.
Just to clarify there are apparently new 737s and A320 moulds being made by JC Wings BUT considering how appalling they are at delivery who knows what year they will appear in and even if they do appear Gemini often don't pickup usage of new moulds quickly because of the stockpiling warehouse issue.
Frankly, the fact that NG released a 737NG that outclassed the JC/GJ version by such a massive distance in 2018 and here we are 7 years later and there still has been no response illustrates why Gemini's attitude is generally considered to be arrogant and dismissive. They don't care that their product is inferior they know people will buy it anyway so why change it?
In 2025 brands like HX are literally making modifications to their products from release to release when their base product is superior (and not just by mould but stands and collector cards too) to what GJ is offering yet GJ and JC continue to push out too often substandard product year on year that rarely changes. Then we get told this kind of nonsense in videos like this. It's a little embarrassing.
Frankly, the fact that NG released a 737NG that outclassed the JC/GJ version by such a massive distance in 2018 and here we are 7 years later and there still has been no response illustrates why Gemini's attitude is generally considered to be arrogant and dismissive. They don't care that their product is inferior they know people will buy it anyway so why change it?
In 2025 brands like HX are literally making modifications to their products from release to release when their base product is superior (and not just by mould but stands and collector cards too) to what GJ is offering yet GJ and JC continue to push out too often substandard product year on year that rarely changes. Then we get told this kind of nonsense in videos like this. It's a little embarrassing.
Starz10p Aviation
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A lot of collectors want what Gemini is doing. Just because they aren’t releasing what you want doesn’t mean you have to throw a fit about it. And no, I don’t operate in an echo chamber. I am friends with collectors worldwide that also enjoy and collect releases from NG and other manufacturers. I speak for the general public. And here’s the thing, Gemini is releasing what a vast majority of collectors want, like that Frontier MD80. And most people don’t care abide quality. It’s still a good model. The only companies that could make better versions are Phoenix (not an airline they would likely release) or NG. And don’t get me started on NG, they just aren’t releasing what collectors want. Not just from the US, but Canada, Japan, Australia, Europe, Africa and South and Central America. And this statement rings true for MOST of the other releases I mentioned. NG and JC certainly aren’t releasing US regionals.
It’s not the mold that matters, it’s the fact that the release was made in the first place that makes it a great release for collectors. Maybe you don’t see that, but it doesn’t take a genius to. People who only care about mold quality or castings really just sour this hobby, the United Regionals, as an example, are incredibly high demand models that haven’t been made in years. Prices regularly went above 200 dollars USD, and so Gemini listened and made them. You don’t see NG doing this, do you? For example, plenty of rare and popular models are not being made by NG from around the world, and are even on the long list of “approved” wishes. But wishing only gets you so far when the releases contain only Xiamen Air and China Southern. Even if Aeroclassics made the United Evo Blue A320, for example, I would still buy the Aeroclassics than wait five years for NG to do it.
Also, GJ/JC E Jets may not be BETTER than the NG 737 mould, but you have to admit, the Antennae are way better on it. in my opinion, the NG 737 could use some more detailed antennae, like the more detailed ones on the E Jets.
I’m not a GJ Glazer. I love all my NG releases I own, but I’m simply praising GJ on the great improvements in QC and release choice they have made last year. NG in my (and nearly every other collector outside of china’s) opinion has been that NG has drastically failed on the release front last year. Ask anyone outside your OWN echo chamber and you’ll see what I mean.
Finally, you only got five Gemini releases this year. That’s not nearly enough to judge a whole company, you clearly have bias towards NG compared to GJ. Like @JJ Skippy said, some people just get ticked off if you give GJ a SINGLE bit of praise.
Phantom
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Seriously?
Starz10p Aviation
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People buy the product anyways because there is no other option. NG isn’t releasing what people want so GJ, even with an inferior mold (it’s not THAT bad and is honestly fine) is releasing the overall better release. They are better releases because they make the liveries people want. After all, who cares about quality if it’s a model NG or a competitor doesn’t care for releasing
Starz10p Aviation
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Yeah “Seriously”. It’s an incredibly popular retro aircraft with a stunning livery. Anyone who collects retro US stuff has wanted one of these for ages. (Also I had more examples than just the frontier in a previous post on this thread.)
I'm not throwing a fit I'm responding to completely unfounded comments with no evidence to back them up. How many collectors have you canvassed, where are the results? Stop making statements you can't prove.
You don't appear to speak for collectors on this forum, which I'd argue is a better bellweather of opinion about Gemini.
I never said that the Frontier was a bad model and agree it is a good model. However it is no better than hundreds of other releases in 2025. It is a bang average model of an excellent subject. It doesn't deserve any special praise sadly. I wish it did.
I thought this wasn't an NG thread? The sentence that 'NG, they just aren’t releasing what collectors want.' is nonsense. I bought 50 of their models in 2025. They clearly are making models collectors want. What you really are saying is 'they aren't making models younger collectors from the US want' and even that is arguable when you actually look at what they made. NG have definitely got issues but frankly the way you are framing it is not a good argument.
I get it lots of people buy ordinary models. That doesn't mean those models derserve high praise or outlandish statements. AND again this entire thing is seen through a US-centric lens that is nauseating to non-Americans. Stop it. America isn't special. You don't deserve more models than everyone else. There isn't necessarily higher demand for a United EJet than a Xiamen 73G or a EasyJet A320.
The aerials on every single JC Wings model are too large.
Which you've provided zero metrics or evidence for.
All the Geminis I got were fine models. I'm not judging them here I'm responding to the nonsense statements being made. This thread isn't about NG who I clearly have a bias towards because I don't like people spreading unsubstantiated lies, which is basically what a lot of this video amounts to. Again the issue is the praise being given here is NOT TRUE or backed up by any evidence.
Phantom
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So this is the general public's opinion, right?
Starz10p Aviation
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People
1. Collectors I’ve questioned? Dozens of collectors I’ve talked about this subject with personally, and I’ve seen the sentiment all over YouTube and Instagram. And it’s not just Americans. Some people agreed, and some disagreed. One friend from Brunei disagreed, as did a friend from France. Most (if not all) American collectors I’ve talked to have also agreed. Multiple Canadian collectors, an Australian collector, a Kiwi friend of mine, a Japanese friend, have all agreed that Gemini has stepped their game up this year. In total, I’ve talked to 21 people about this directly. 90.5% (19 people’ of people from around the globe agreed on my takes here. 9.5% (4 people) didn’t.
2. Quite a few collectors on this forum are still biased towards NG on a lot of subjects, and have a very nit-picky opinion when it comes to things like this. I have also talked to a significant amount of people on this forum about this, and most agreed.
3. The frontier is a highlight of the year from many of the collectors I have talked to who collect retro models.
4. Yes, this isn’t about NG. I was referencing how NG wasn’t making what people wanted so Gemini stepped in and made a lot of those models. It’s about Gemini stepping in, not NG. And their “models collectors want” are maybe models YOU want, as you do indeed have a Chinese Model airport, and a sufficient Chinese collection, but not what others want. And your “younger collectors from the US” take is also wrong here, plenty of continents and countries they haven’t covered that I’m representing here too. I myself collect Japanese models, and many popular releases are being ignored by NG. That is a subject for another day.
5. They DO deserve high praise because they were examples of a brand actually listening to what collectors wanted. And United E Jets (there are hundreds of them and most collectors need multiple for accurately portraying real airports) are yes, equal if not higher in demand as an EasyJet, has not been released as many times as NG has released the Xiamen 737.
6. Once again being too nit-picky. IMO they look fine size wise. That’s just my opinion.
7. Here’s some metrics. I own around -30 Gemini jets produced in between 2018 and 2024. I also own around 15 produced in 2025. There have been eight broken or damaged models from before 2025. There have been none this year. Many collectors I’ve talked to have reported similar findings.
8. All this is my evidence for you. That I’ve collected personally. I’m sure Connor can put together more.
Let me unpack your claims and responses here.
1. Collectors I’ve questioned? Dozens of collectors I’ve talked about this subject with personally, and I’ve seen the sentiment all over YouTube and Instagram. And it’s not just Americans. Some people agreed, and some disagreed. One friend from Brunei disagreed, as did a friend from France. Most (if not all) American collectors I’ve talked to have also agreed. Multiple Canadian collectors, an Australian collector, a Kiwi friend of mine, a Japanese friend, have all agreed that Gemini has stepped their game up this year. In total, I’ve talked to 21 people about this directly. 90.5% (19 people’ of people from around the globe agreed on my takes here. 9.5% (4 people) didn’t.
2. Quite a few collectors on this forum are still biased towards NG on a lot of subjects, and have a very nit-picky opinion when it comes to things like this. I have also talked to a significant amount of people on this forum about this, and most agreed.
3. The frontier is a highlight of the year from many of the collectors I have talked to who collect retro models.
4. Yes, this isn’t about NG. I was referencing how NG wasn’t making what people wanted so Gemini stepped in and made a lot of those models. It’s about Gemini stepping in, not NG. And their “models collectors want” are maybe models YOU want, as you do indeed have a Chinese Model airport, and a sufficient Chinese collection, but not what others want. And your “younger collectors from the US” take is also wrong here, plenty of continents and countries they haven’t covered that I’m representing here too. I myself collect Japanese models, and many popular releases are being ignored by NG. That is a subject for another day.
5. They DO deserve high praise because they were examples of a brand actually listening to what collectors wanted. And United E Jets (there are hundreds of them and most collectors need multiple for accurately portraying real airports) are yes, equal if not higher in demand as an EasyJet, has not been released as many times as NG has released the Xiamen 737.
6. Once again being too nit-picky. IMO they look fine size wise. That’s just my opinion.
7. Here’s some metrics. I own around -30 Gemini jets produced in between 2018 and 2024. I also own around 15 produced in 2025. There have been eight broken or damaged models from before 2025. There have been none this year. Many collectors I’ve talked to have reported similar findings.
8. All this is my evidence for you. That I’ve collected personally. I’m sure Connor can put together more.
Starz10p Aviation
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Yes. I’ve talked to many collectors and also seen others online, celebrating this model being released. Very popular model.
Starz10p Aviation
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Also to be specific, NG has released TWENTY ONE XIAMEN AIR 737’s in 2025 ALONE.
Phantom
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This is a better response. If this sort of analytics were included in these videos they would get more respect than they do. However 21 people is a tiny sample size. Before I would make the sort of claims made in this video I'd want a sample size of at least several hundred people and to know where they were based too and ideally to have an idea how many models they bought also.
I don't agree about the bias towards NG. The only brand on this forum I see bias towards is Gemini. Every other brand gets a lot of criticism and praise, generally where deserved. However I see some praise for Gemini, which is often not backed up or deserved. I see accusations of bias made at people, which is usually the last resort of someone losing an argument.
That Frontier MD-80 was a great release choice and was very high on my list of models I wanted. Sadly, the finished product is just ordinary.
You realise most of Gemini's production decisions are made a long time in advance. They haven't stepped in. I'd argue it is coincidence.
Most collectors do not buy multiples of models
You understand NG have a licensing agreement with Xiamen now. This is like GJ and Emirates. Annoying but good business.
The problem I have here and talking about QC in general is that the real source of truth for this is retailers not collectors. They should be weeding out most defective stock. I barely ever receive broken models and I'm always suspicious of people that say they do get a lot. Most models have QC issues of one kind or another, but not breakages or real damage. Also once again to really identify any trends and make the sort of broad strokes comments made in this video a large sample size is required.
I wish he would!
400Yinzer
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Honestly what is the point of this video/thread? I swear it’s rage bait at this point to irritate the people on here who use facts to analyze things.
Throwing together this puff piece (perfectly put @YesterAirlines) with anecdotal accounts of your friends, claiming 2026 is high quality 4 days into the year, and whining about when Gemini receives deserved criticism is honestly so exhausting and frustrating. The language in the video of “speaking for collectors” and the folks in this thread “speaking for the general public” is so irresponsible and dishonest, I don’t even know where to start.
An important thought that some in here could really benefit to hear is to speak for one’s self. Do not presume that your opinion is shared by others - even if your friend group/social media algorithm makes it seem that way.
I enjoy coming on here for the factual discussions and objective views - this thread is the antithesis of that and I’m really just trying to understand why this is even happening.
Throwing together this puff piece (perfectly put @YesterAirlines) with anecdotal accounts of your friends, claiming 2026 is high quality 4 days into the year, and whining about when Gemini receives deserved criticism is honestly so exhausting and frustrating. The language in the video of “speaking for collectors” and the folks in this thread “speaking for the general public” is so irresponsible and dishonest, I don’t even know where to start.
An important thought that some in here could really benefit to hear is to speak for one’s self. Do not presume that your opinion is shared by others - even if your friend group/social media algorithm makes it seem that way.
I enjoy coming on here for the factual discussions and objective views - this thread is the antithesis of that and I’m really just trying to understand why this is even happening.
BubblesAviation
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2017 and 2016 were pretty good too even though I didn’t collect in them.
bakejobb_23
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United CEJ550 - nose gear crazy tall, looks awful
United E175 - Just a bad QC model all around. I’ve seen maybe one that looks decently correct so far (nose gear, engines, cockpit windows)
MD80s - they’re great releases but NG is around the corner with theirs and most here would rather take the NG mould. Worth waiting for normally
A wizz air is nothing to write home about, especially with those engines.
727-100s i’ll let you have overall but they’re still far from perfect and that was the single United release at the end of the year. better than AC at least.
If I released a model with sharpie detailing but it’s an airline/livery everyone wants, sure it may be a “good release choice” but it doesn’t make them great models with great QC and great quality. point. blank. period.
