The Rise of Gemini Jets (2020-2025)
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Let's do it!
YesterAirlines
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Connor are you partnering with Gemini or getting paid by them? Just asking because I've seen you bigging up GJ a lot recently, going to their Vegas store, running videos with them and kissing Todd's backside. It's the only reason I can think you're so positive about what GJ are doing, that and you just don't buy anything but a tiny slice of USA models in any given year.
Can you backup anything you are saying? Were collectors really 'dumbfounded' or have Gemini produced exactly the same models in 2024 they made in 2023,2022,2021,2020,2019 etc etc. The same aircraft, same airlines, same everything.
I can't see any material changes in Gemini in more than a decade. You call their 767-400 high quality when in fact it is mediocre at best and vastly inferior to the competition present today from NG and Panda, and even the old Dragon Wings mould.
You say they are 'back in the driving seat' but how exactly? A lot of the moulds are the same inferior products they have been using for years, most of their design and production is spearheaded by JC Wings anyway.
Lastly the resurgence in retro models is bogus as we all pointed out to JJ Skippy a few weeks back, GJ makes barely any truly retro aircraft that any sensible individual would call retro or classic. Did you do any research before you made this video?
JJ Skippy
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I feel like the release choices argument holds strong ground regardless of what the definition of “retro” is. Did anyone imagine Gemini Jets doing subjects like the American MD-90 Reno Air hybrid or the Delta Connection CRJ-900 Deltaflot back in 2020-2021? That’s gonna be a no with an “H E double hockey stick (shall I bring up the Eastern chrome 757 from 2021 as well?)” preceding it. Furthermore, what about other niche subjects like the Cubana Antonov 26 or Air Mauritius 747SP?
YesterAirlines
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Are you seriously suggesting that Gemini making aircraft from American Airlines and Delta suggests they are doing something unusual? Gemini made only 106 models in 2024 and 6 of them were American Airlines! Five were A321s - none of which are outstanding models (the ceos are at best average and the neo is pretty poor). 15 of the 106 were Delta!!! At this point I would expect them to have made the entire airline's fleet.
I'm not saying those two models were bad, but really they are not unusual or especially amazing either AND they are in no way representative of Gemini's 2024 output at all.
That Eastern 757 by the way was a mediocre release using a mould that dates from the year 2000. If you're holding that up as some kind of beacon you have got to be joking.
The irony is NG have had a pretty poor year, but in every measure it has been better than Geminis. I'd be less scornful if an even passable argument was being made here but it isn't.
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YesterAirlines
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In 2024 more than half of Gemini's models came from 12 airlines (the same common 12 as always I might add) and they made 5 models that flew before the year 2000 (and 2 of those were the abysmal Emirates A300/310s).
Oh and the Air Mauritius 747SP was from 2023!
Oh and the Air Mauritius 747SP was from 2023!
LeoMuse747
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I don't see any "turn around" or "rise"... their releases are still mostly crap, with only one or two really interesting stuff being released in every 6 months or so. The rest is a complete pile of boring USA releases of modern jets which were already made by competition in better quality. Their B737-800 is still terrible, for example (The Avelo Airlines release, which was reviewed by Connor here , should have a "Viewer Discretion" sign on the box).
Meanwhile, GJ still neglects some of their older moulds. Still lots of IL-62s, DC-8s and 727-200s waiting to be released. In the 2000s, Gemini had an amazing variety, too bad it seems their creativity is long gone now
But don't get me wrong: I still buy Gemini Jets when they release something good and of my interest, and some of their models are nice. But it's very odd to see people praising them nowadays, when most of their stuff is actually pretty average.
Meanwhile, GJ still neglects some of their older moulds. Still lots of IL-62s, DC-8s and 727-200s waiting to be released. In the 2000s, Gemini had an amazing variety, too bad it seems their creativity is long gone now
But don't get me wrong: I still buy Gemini Jets when they release something good and of my interest, and some of their models are nice. But it's very odd to see people praising them nowadays, when most of their stuff is actually pretty average.
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JJ Skippy
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The aforementioned examples are of types that weren’t utilized at all in 2020. The Mad Dogs (Delta Widget 88 in the Dec 19/Jan 20 releases notwithstanding) and CRJ-900 saw no output that year. The latter went four years without a release so 2020 was a point where another was long overdue.
On the topic of quality: I understand you hold models to a high standard and thus score them accordingly in your reviews, but how I (and I know others out there too) view it is I would be better off to have a model of something on a mediocre mould than nothing at all if there was no other option. I go back to a previous example I used in another discussion in the Avelo 737; the model was horrendous and some people refused to buy it because of its QC problems, but it’s now 2025 and we’re STILL without another release of that airline! Furthermore we haven’t seen certain popular US narrowbody subjects done by NG, so even us are still waiting on a select number of subjects.
Part of that saga is why I seldom wait for NG or somebody else to release something GJ makes first anymore, because with NG it’s like a roulette wheel of when we’ll see that same plane announced by them. I still think their upcoming announcement has potential but only time will tell if that holds.
I will respectfully disagree with your last statement; while you use the stat of how many airlines were done in a given year, or how many pre-2000s models were made in the same period (keep in mind my Air Mauritius example is well within the window that the video covers), I have seen way more interest in Gemini’s releases than NG’s this year. It hasn’t been on this forum, it’s been on other platforms where I’ve seen more positive statements on GJ. They are fairly easy to find.
YesterAirlines
Well-known member
That is not a reason to congratulate them. In fact, it is completely the opposite.
Man you've seen others on this forum. I'm pretty relaxed on my scoring!
I buy a lot of Aeroclassics so that means I buy a lot of often mediocre models so I'm not saying don't buy them - BUT don't make stuff up. I don't pretend AC are the best in the business because I buy more of their models than anyone elses. Surely truth matters and content makers have at least some responsibiliy to do the tiniest amount of research and educate your viewers. Connor in this video makes claims he doesn't back up with any evidence at all.
There are positive statements to be made no doubt - if you collect modern US releases BUT those positive statements shouldn't say the 767-400 mould is 'high quality', GJ are 'in the driving seat' and other fanboy style nonsense that is obviously untrue. I would also say that a lot of US collectors simply don't know anything about other brands so don't have views that should be held up as meaningful.
I mean some of this just comes across as plain ignorant. So ignorant in fact that it does make me question where it is coming from.
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OscarBravo992
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This^^^
Phoenix takes the cake for 2024, and mostly likely will for 2025 too. Gemini has not improved anything, they’re still pumping out the same old generic rubbish. The above video is a pathetic example of clickbait, designed to attract nothing but likes and views without sharing any useful or original information. It’s definitely not the first video like this to come out of a certain few of content creators and I doubt it will be the last.
LeoMuse747
Well-known member
From:
"T h e R i s e o f G e m i n i J e t s" ("Heart of Courage" plays at the background)
to:
"The only good thing [...] they appear to use stronger glue now"
lol
"T h e R i s e o f G e m i n i J e t s" ("Heart of Courage" plays at the background)
to:
"The only good thing [...] they appear to use stronger glue now"
lol
LorenzoLommus
New member
The rise of Gemini Jets. I hope the rise means quality standard for 2025. Look at some very bad defects of their releases from the past:
Starting off is the Kalitta 747F, ordered 2 copies and both with cracked flap on the wing. One model has it on the tip end the other with 2. The cracked areas will break apart if touch with slight force:
Here's a Polar 747F, smudges or scratches all over the nose door and fuselage:
Another Polar 747F, with bent and cracked engine mount plus missing antenna also a spot that's been badly touched up (right next to the antenna hole):
Here's the KLM 747F, with badly crooked front gear and scratched or smudged up nose door:
And finally a UPS 747F, with a badly touch up paint job that looks blotchy and bubbled up:
Are we going to see the rise of these issues for 2025? Part of it probably applies to JC Wings as well since they manufacture many of the above models for them.
Starting off is the Kalitta 747F, ordered 2 copies and both with cracked flap on the wing. One model has it on the tip end the other with 2. The cracked areas will break apart if touch with slight force:
Here's a Polar 747F, smudges or scratches all over the nose door and fuselage:
Another Polar 747F, with bent and cracked engine mount plus missing antenna also a spot that's been badly touched up (right next to the antenna hole):
Here's the KLM 747F, with badly crooked front gear and scratched or smudged up nose door:
And finally a UPS 747F, with a badly touch up paint job that looks blotchy and bubbled up:
Are we going to see the rise of these issues for 2025? Part of it probably applies to JC Wings as well since they manufacture many of the above models for them.
BD416
Member
Yep, I ordered a JC Lufthansa 747-400 (W/ Aviationtag), and it came with the exact same damage shown above. There was tons of scratching on the fuselage and the gear was bent at a 90-degree angle. I have no clue how they justify shipping a model with those defects and more importantly, how is that not caught in QC?
pons399
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Who says they have QC at all? I have dozens of JCs (1:200 and 1:400) due to the nature of their releases, and there’s less than five that didn’t come with some sort of defect. Go to any JC-heavy collector group, and you’ll see complaints pop up daily.
swagninja84
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Of the short bus maybe.
Just about the only GJs I buy now are regionals. CRJ, EMB, E Jets, Dash 8. But purely because there aren't other options at the moment.
In every mould that GJ uses, the ones where there are more than 1 option. None are the best on the market.
swagninja84
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Is this really the bar. Non broken models?
