Question about HC-009 (BB400 American 747 hybrid)

Phantom

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I'm clearing space at the basement and prepare some models for sale.
I stumbled upon this release:
I do have the one on the original BB400 mould (HC-009, 93/120), but not only does MADb show pictures (the ones on the mirror) of a different model/mould, quite a few other retailers and users do too. All go under the item# HC-009 too but are a completely different product. What's the deal? Anyone know?
 
Do you have a picture from the side? Most of the ones that were labeled as HC release on eBay looked more like a BB mk2 with short nosegear.
 
Do you have a picture from the side? Most of the ones that were labeled as HC release on eBay looked more like a BB mk2 with short nosegear.
The one I have is the original HC - got it back then through HC. It's like the picture on white (real BB400) on MADb. The other pics (the ones on the mirror) show a different product but a HC card too. I'm not familiar with all the stuff that came post BB400, but you could well be right about MkII. I'm just not getting the connection to the HC. Fake?
 
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I have the entire HC collection and as far as I can recall there was only one release of this model on the part of 400SH
 
Noone with an explanation on this?
Here's mine the way I got it through the club in 2005. BB400 mould all the way with numbered card in black box.
N743PA by Alexander Kern, auf Flickr

And here's a pic from MADb claiming to be HC-009 as well. Clearly this is a different product on a different mould (fake BB/BB MkII??) with different artwork, a card that seems to be a "sample" or something and a white "BB400" box.
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Noone with an explanation on this?
Here's mine the way I got it through the club in 2005. BB400 mould all the way with numbered card in black box.
N743PA by Alexander Kern, auf Flickr

And here's a pic from MADb claiming to be HC-009 as well. Clearly this is a different product on a different mould (fake BB/BB MkII??) with different artwork, a card that seems to be a "sample" or something and a white "BB400" box.
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As the owner of this fake AC 747 I can tell you that, AFAIK, this is indeed a different mould but was still sold under the Aeroclassics Hangar Club HC-009 name, just as the one you have in your posession.
The original versions of these also came in the same black box as you have supposedly with an HC card. Why there seem to be two different moulds used I don't know either, they could have been fake, but I remember seeing a picture of this mould on the 400SH forum too.

This specific example I bought second hand and came damaged, without original box and without a card so I merely printed out the clearly fake sample card so I would have a card to pair with it, figured a fake card was better than no card at all.
 
As the owner of this fake AC 747 I can tell you that, AFAIK, this is indeed a different mould but was still sold under the Aeroclassics Hangar Club HC-009 name, just as the one you have in your posession.
The original versions of these also came in the same black box as you have supposedly with an HC card. Why there seem to be two different moulds used I don't know either, they could have been fake, but I remember seeing a picture of this mould on the 400SH forum too.

This specific example I bought second hand and came damaged, without original box and without a card so I merely printed out the clearly fake sample card so I would have a card to pair with it, figured a fake card was better than no card at all.
Thanks. Now that clears some of my questions regarding this model and the card in particular.
Though I'm still curious about when this model was made. After digging through images I'm rather sure this is what was refered to as "BigBird Mk.II", but did this mould already exist back in 2005 when HC-009 was made? Other than the subject I fail to see any technical connection between these two models. I also tried my luck searching through 400SH but can't find anything though remotely remember reading a discussion over there many years ago.
Would be interesting to see if there's anyone out there who received such "Mk.II" new and whether it really came with a HC-009 card or if these were two releases that were later merged into one DB entry.
I think I remember @Jazajia has one of these as well.
 
This white Bigbird box is quite a mystery to me too. I once had a Northwest 747-400 N671US bowling shoe that came with it. The model had no Bigbird or GeminiJets markings as far as I can remember, but the mould is GJ. Another example is a Martinair Cargo B747-200F, again no markings and a white BB box; later I owned one with colored box and numbered card, although the models were identical.
Coming back to the BB mk2 American 747-100 with white box, I owned one too and the paint and printing quality felt better than other BB mk2 747's (again, AFAIK).
Another thing worth mentioning is that GJ also had some models coming in a plain white box with just their logo on it. Perhaps this is related?
 

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Thanks. Now that clears some of my questions regarding this model and the card in particular.
Though I'm still curious about when this model was made. After digging through images I'm rather sure this is what was refered to as "BigBird Mk.II", but did this mould already exist back in 2005 when HC-009 was made? Other than the subject I fail to see any technical connection between these two models. I also tried my luck searching through 400SH but can't find anything though remotely remember reading a discussion over there many years ago.
Would be interesting to see if there's anyone out there who received such "Mk.II" new and whether it really came with a HC-009 card or if these were two releases that were later merged into one DB entry.
I think I remember @Jazajia has one of these as well.

The one I have is the same one @1400_Aircraft_Models posted photos of on the mirror. I got it from him at the AMS show in 2022. I knew the card wasn't the original, but wasn't aware of the two mold situation. Interesting.
 
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