NG CRP Requests

[British Airways fan]

These are at the same since a few days.
And the duplication not merged

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Same with G-CIVM

 

[Jazajia]

I agree that confirmation bias will have an impact and markets NG penetrate more will get more models. This is likely only to get worse as the way the scheme seems like it'll work the people voting on winners will get more votes in the future. Demand in Europe in particular is disappointing but I'm sure Africa and Latin America will be under-represented - and no doubt the language barrier is an issue too.

However, I'm less certain about the demand for latin classics. Yes, the Aeroclassics always sell out, but an AC run is about 80-120 units. Without understanding the MOQ of NG (which is I suspect closer to the Phoenix number of 500) it is harder to say that a Varig 767 would sell well, especially after the recent AC version (which wasn't their first either). What they need to be able to do is produce smaller runs and not damage profitability - like Buchannan was (although the choices Buchannan was making were highly questionable).

My promotion of the L-1011s and MD-80s has led to some extra votes for them, but ultimately the sort of older, less tech savvy, more curmudgeonly classics collector is not going to be able to or be willing to compete with the sea of young A350 loving members from China and the US.

I am at least pleased that the classics have been holding their own in the list, but as Phantom pointed out the vote totals are tiny even for the most popular models - far far lower than the points that must be available (I sense the wish for free CRP models is stopping a lot of votes). The wishes are a semblance of a guide for future production but if I were NG I wouldn't be taking them as literally as they are.

Couldn’t have said it better. Also, it seems like the audience for these sort of contemporary classics has a tendency to move over to 1:200.

 

[Jazajia]

I just want to clarify, mostly in the interest of good PR - though it really is true: I believe the initiative is good, in fact, it is the first time I have seen a model manufacturer doing some sort of official/serious market research. As discussed, the system might fail to exploit some markets with reasonable potential, and that can be disappointing for the collectors interested in those models. But at the end of the day NG is in the business of making money, and if the current system ensures that there is demand for the models they make - in spite of the issue that there might also be demand for some models they don't make - then that's good for them. Also, a good number of collectors will be satisfied, and that's a good thing too.

I mentioned 1:200 in my previous post also. That comes from the number of niche brands that have appeared in that scale (all using the IF200 molds) that cater to those markets, at least the ones I keep on my radar. For Latin America, there is not only El Aviador, but there is also a pretty large store/brand in Colombia (JP60Aeromodelos) that is rather impressive (dream catalog for Colombian collectors, two physical stores, etc.) proving that either the market is there (thinking of Avianca MD-80), or someone found a way to burn cash. But again it is all 200 scale.

To that end, I could try my luck with the Avensa 757-200 in 200 scale, but then NG has a competitor in that scale, IF200. InFlight also has a pretty nice 752 mold with original RR engines, and as stated in the paragraph above, have a good record of making stuff happen in niche markets. It is a matter of launching an electoral campaign among a group of collectors that probably has never scratched an NG CRP card, or going down the bu$ine$$ path. End of the off-topic, gotta run.

 

[777-300ER]

Now we’re talking!
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Finally Korean 747-8

 

[planes_on_a_shelf]

I agree that confirmation bias will have an impact and markets NG penetrate more will get more models. This is likely only to get worse as the way the scheme seems like it'll work the people voting on winners will get more votes in the future. Demand in Europe in particular is disappointing but I'm sure Africa and Latin America will be under-represented - and no doubt the language barrier is an issue too.

However, I'm less certain about the demand for latin classics. Yes, the Aeroclassics always sell out, but an AC run is about 80-120 units. Without understanding the MOQ of NG (which is I suspect closer to the Phoenix number of 500) it is harder to say that a Varig 767 would sell well, especially after the recent AC version (which wasn't their first either). What they need to be able to do is produce smaller runs and not damage profitability - like Buchannan was (although the choices Buchannan was making were highly questionable).

My promotion of the L-1011s and MD-80s has led to some extra votes for them, but ultimately the sort of older, less tech savvy, more curmudgeonly classics collector is not going to be able to or be willing to compete with the sea of young A350 loving members from China and the US.

I am at least pleased that the classics have been holding their own in the list, but as Phantom pointed out the vote totals are tiny even for the most popular models - far far lower than the points that must be available (I sense the wish for free CRP models is stopping a lot of votes). The wishes are a semblance of a guide for future production but if I were NG I wouldn't be taking them as literally as they are.

The CRP Exclusive Releases that way is a great way to make models with lower MOQ - like they recently did for those Sichuans.

Maybe the system can be modified such that say, there's a window for 'booking' or 'pre-ordering' - similar to the CRP exchange program, but here backed by a confirmed pre-order at your retailer, the details of which, once sent to NG, (like they do for the free models), defines the total order run. Maybe those CRP exclusives can be 10-15% pricier - like those Sichuans were, which I'm hoping shouldn't be a problem for collectors looking for a specific model on a specific mould.

 

[planes_on_a_shelf]

On another note, really surprised by the poor outcome of voting for EU subjects, barring perhaps a few - for many on forums such as this one and for observers, it's by now perhaps quite obvious that, NG's business decisions over the past year and more have been spot on. I'm hoping that, this means that while they have been building their own corpus so to speak, it'll be allow them in the future to make more 'niche' models - offsetted by the larger sales of N & B regs

 

[YesterAirlines]

The CRP Exclusive Releases that way is a great way to make models with lower MOQ - like they recently did for those Sichuans.

I don't think they ended up being a lower MOQ than standard releases.

Maybe the system can be modified such that say, there's a window for 'booking' or 'pre-ordering' - similar to the CRP exchange program, but here backed by a confirmed pre-order at your retailer, the details of which, once sent to NG, (like they do for the free models), defines the total order run. Maybe those CRP exclusives can be 10-15% pricier - like those Sichuans were, which I'm hoping shouldn't be a problem for collectors looking for a specific model on a specific mould.

The concept of booking is exactly what NG are moving towards here as they know who has voted and will know whether you buy the model you voted for. This is one of the reasons why voting for models you aren't going to buy is counterproductive.

I think a lot of collectors are very price sensitive and won't pay extra, or at least will moan a lot, if some models cost more because they don't see the reality of low demand for certain subjects. So I doubt increasing prices would work - it'd just mean the runs are even lower.

 

[planes_on_a_shelf]

The concept of booking is exactly what NG are moving towards here as they know who has voted and will know whether you buy the model you voted for. This is one of the reasons why voting for models you aren't going to buy is counterproductive.

I strongly disagree with the latter bit - voting for models you won't buy will not be counterproductive - the models will get made - and people will buy them - just that with your vote you have supported the model. Supporting a model does not compel you to buy it - and which is why NG is providing a bonus if you voted and bought it - as they're sure about the fact that people will support models even if they don't intend to buy it.

You should encourage people to vote for models they believe must be made even if they're not intending to buy it. That supports the cause. Voting =Buying is not what NG is intending at all

 

[1/400collector]

I think that the reason that retro models don't get as many votes is because retro collectors would usually be into retro models exclusively, so when NG hasn't made any retro models I'm almost a year no retro collector would have any points because he didn't buy NG models in a long time.
This is just my speculation.

 

[YesterAirlines]

I strongly disagree with the latter bit - voting for models you won't buy will not be counterproductive - the models will get made - and people will buy them - just that with your vote you have supported the model. Supporting a model does not compel you to buy it - and which is why NG is providing a bonus if you voted and bought it - as they're sure about the fact that people will support models even if they don't intend to buy it.

You should encourage people to vote for models they believe must be made even if they're not intending to buy it. That supports the cause. Voting =Buying is not what NG is intending at all

I disagree. NG want people to buy the models they vote for. If they don't the vote is a waste for NG. As I see it it is the case that literally every vote for a model is a vote against another. It isn't the case that all these models will get made, and NG clearly expect people who are voting to be also buying. If that doesn't happen it completely invalidates the concept that they are aiming for i.e. knowing how good sales will be. If everyone votes for everything then a) everything gets the same number of votes and b) the votes don't align at all to sales.

While I can understand why voting for models you aren't going to buy feels good, it is in my opinion largely counterproductive to what NG are trying to achieve here and ultimately also rather a problem for getting specific models made. So far the sheer number of models with 10+ but not 20+ votes illustrates this issue.

If anything people need to be focusing on getting specific models over the line not spreading their votes all over the place. They can then focus on other models in later rounds. This is 'war' and concentration of force is always better than spreading your forces out thinly (just ask the French in 1940)

Anyway I have voted for a lot of models, but I have tried to restrict my voting to models I know I will buy and models that I know will be on good moulds. That doesn't mean I haven't voted for a few others but by and large I am putting my money where my mouth is.

 

[YesterAirlines]

I think that the reason that retro models don't get as many votes is because retro collectors would usually be into retro models exclusively, so when NG hasn't made any retro models I'm almost a year no retro collector would have any points because he didn't buy NG models in a long time.
This is just my speculation.

This partly true I agree, but it is also partly because older collecors aren't online or tech savvy as much. Plus a lot of them are just grumpy buggers too

 

[planes_on_a_shelf]

Anyway I have voted for a lot of models, but I have tried to restrict my voting to models I know I will buy and models that I know will be on good moulds. That doesn't mean I haven't voted for a few others but by and large I am putting my money where my mouth is.

This I totally agree with you, and this is my MO as well - so on this we are allies .
I have ONLY voted for models I know I would love to, and I would want to, buy.
When I say I've voted for models I know I may not buy, I'm referring to say, a Kyrgyzstan or a Moldova Tu-154, or say an Aero Lloyd MD-80, or a Malta A320, not because I don't want to buy them, but because I know if I had to make a choice on budget reasons, these are the ones I'd forego. Probably about 15-20pc of my votes

 

[1/400collector]

This partly true I agree, but it is also partly because older collecors aren't online or tech savvy as much. Plus a lot of them are just grumpy buggers too

Lol I forgot about that part, come to think of it I haven't really bought much models this year from any brand about

 

[LAN子]

While overall this has been disappointing (another UA 777 for god's sakes?), at the very least, we're finally getting the Eastern, House, and PSA Tristars. Hopefully, next, we can get that Northwest and Continental 757-300 up to being made!

If I was able to I would make a wish for N707SA, in the original Southwest livery without winglets, since it is the first 737NG delivered and we don't have a PROPER example of that Southwest livery without winglets. That Panda version (although winglets) from a few years ago is way too bright on the scheme.

 

[JJ Skippy]

I think that the reason that retro models don't get as many votes is because retro collectors would usually be into retro models exclusively, so when NG hasn't made any retro models I'm almost a year no retro collector would have any points because he didn't buy NG models in a long time.
This is just my speculation.

I’m a retro collector nowadays (it’s shifted in the last year especially thanks to the surge in retros from other manufacturers) but I wouldn’t consider myself an exclusive retro collector; I buy a good deal of modern US planes when they come out, plus try to dabble into other markets whenever applicable

 

[LAN子]

I haven't historically been a retro collector even though I want to because I just don't feel like the average Aeroclassics model is worth more than $15. Probably an unpopular opinion. But of the ~5 I own, all of their landing gear fall off just from me placing them on surfaces, almost all of them have printing errors, and the undercarriages are so under detailed (not to mention no aerials or anything) that it really just feels bad to justify paying an actual MSRP price for an Air Canada 727 with an erroneous registration and such abysmal QC that it makes Gemini look like god's gift to humankind

 

[JJ Skippy]

While overall this has been disappointing (another UA 777 for god's sakes?), at the very least, we're finally getting the Eastern, House, and PSA Tristars. Hopefully, next, we can get that Northwest and Continental 757-300 up to being made!

NG themselves haven’t done a United 772 Evo Blue yet. The three 772s they’ve done are all Star Alliance colors

I haven't historically been a retro collector even though I want to because I just don't feel like the average Aeroclassics model is worth more than $15. Probably an unpopular opinion. But of the ~5 I own, all of their landing gear fall off just from me placing them on surfaces, almost all of them have printing errors, and the undercarriages are so under detailed (not to mention no aerials or anything) that it really just feels bad to justify paying an actual MSRP price for an Air Canada 727 with an erroneous registration and such abysmal QC that it makes Gemini look like god's gift to humankind

I’ve only had one AC model lose tires and that was a Frontier A320neo several years ago; since then I haven’t had issues with their tires. Personally I’m alright with most of their releases in terms of quality, though I will say I was very displeased with their recent Northwest Bowling Shoe models. That livery needs some more love nowadays, and since Deltaflot has gotten lots of attention from Gemini Jets lately I think a Bowling Shoe resurgence is inevitable.

 

[aviation456]

Same with G-CIVM

Also with the BA A350! One has the fire emoji whilst the other has 10+ votes...

Sidenote: There are another 20 ish models with the fire status. This means that, surely, with the models that have been duplicated added, we might be getting another 25-30 models for preproduction. Hard to see why they would pass on models that clearly have high demand!

 

[JJ Skippy]

I want to know how NG is planning out which ones to do first. Will it be in the same order as they’ve approved, so the Qantas Yam Dreaming is first to be released from this list?

 

[YesterAirlines]

Also with the BA A350! One has the fire emoji whilst the other has 10+ votes...

Sidenote: There are another 20 ish models with the fire status. This means that, surely, with the models that have been duplicated added, we might be getting another 25-30 models for preproduction. Hard to see why they would pass on models that clearly have high demand!

I've mentioned the duplicates again to NG and they have said 'We are working on the duplicate wishes.' so presumably they will try and deal with them.

I want to know how NG is planning out which ones to do first. Will it be in the same order as they’ve approved, so the Qantas Yam Dreaming is first to be released from this list?

I assume models they can easily make straight away (like the EA L-1011s) will come first and others that need mods to the moulds (PSA L-1011, NASA SP), use moulds that aren't released yet (747s) or have difficult liveries (Wunala etc) will come spread across multiple months in the future - possibly 4-6 months

At the moment the PSA L-1011 is being beaten by a Pegasus A320 sporting one of the laziest, uninspired and most rubbish liveries of all time! My faith in humanity dwindles a little more