The issue is with the second paragraph. It's an attempt to guilt trip collectors into purchasing their products only, suggesting that doing otherwise is illegal. No one actually gives a shit, and no one is going to jail for buying NG or Panda. But the younger or newer collector might actually fall for these foolish antics.
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JJ Skippy
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Right, and guilt tripping people is probably their intention. It’s not the first time they’ve done this either; when they announced the first United Evo Blue they did basically the same thing.
pons399
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(Really) young collectors likely don’t even know Panda and NG’s existence. They get what’s easily accessible at airports and duty free shops. I remember thinking plastic Hogans were the pinnacle, simply because they looked decently good and were easily accessible.
swagninja84
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It's silly on GJ's part. If they'd simply invest some money into redesigning their molds, they could really have a lot of potential. Their colors and printing are generally great. Their release choices may not please everyone but they're certainly better (imo) than NG's. Their QC is surprisingly on par with or better than NG's nowadays too.
LachieHare
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Definitely not Bye Felicia to my hard earned on average GJ models
JJ Skippy
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Totally agree on the release choices. That’s the advantage they have on NG right now. Just got to update those moulds and then we have a true gladiator fight.
Although if you ask me they have been making some tweaks to the 737. The wings look far better on the United and Aeromexico than past releases.
swagninja84
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I agree that GJ should just invest and improve their product, but to say GJ is better when put them side by side. You would need to get your eyes checked.
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NG has been producing models at higher rates with broken stabilizer or landing gears, smudged paint, and missing antennas. Even scratches.
pons399
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As much as I bash NG’s choices… Releasing nothing but Western stuff and Emirates isn’t better than what NG does. NG barely caters to certain regions, GJ doesn’t do so AT ALL. Important distinction to make.
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panda_CAT
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The only Delta I have that's still a GJ is the 777, and I'm still modding them with PH landing gear ....... With Delta I trust NG and Pm more.
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Without AViation,I would not have been able to collect Emirates A380 (because I missed Phoenix) and without PM and NG AC,I would not have been able to collect Emirates and Delta A320 series A330 series A350 series B767 series. The only two GJs I have in my possession were a gift from a dealer I used to buy models from when I was in college, two 777 series that were converted to Phoenix landing gear and were using the old Phoenix grinders. GJ just has a nice license, but they don't have their heart set on making collector grade models. I respect copyrights, but that doesn't mean I'll pay relatively high prices for products I don't think are worth it, and it's well known that GJ's Delta and Emirates products sell for much more than NG PM and Phoenix in mainland China,
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JJ Skippy
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At least with GJ they know that the North American market sells well for them. NG is probably the same way for the Chinese market.
UALFan1994
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Agreed. Waiting for Gemini to produce a Deltaflot MD 80 in 1:200
That isn't even true if you're a US collector let alone someone who collects airliners from the rest of the world
That is a statement without a single bit of evidence to back it up.
A quick glance at release stats and people's posts prove the lie to both these statements. It may be your opinion, but I can't agree with it.
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Since Jan 2024 NG Models have released or announced 76 US models - see here
In the same time frame GJ has made 60 US Models - see here
In those timescales NG has made 308 other models of which 115 have been Chinese
In those timescales GJ has made 54 other models of which 6 have been German
Now you could argue that NG hasn't made the same variety of US stuff, but frankly I bet if I looked into the figures that would be untrue as well. Basically US collectors need to check their privilege, even moreso since the Tariffs have come in. Making US models suddenly looks a lot less worthwhile for a Chinese manufacturer.
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UALFan1994
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How can someone’s opinion be a lie? And can you really prove otherwise that NG doesn’t ship broken or defected models less so than Gemini? People speak from their personal experiences. I have also received a number of broken models by NG in the last 2 years.
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Ok so it isn't a lie exactly (and I didn't say it was I said it 'proved the lie' i.e. it proves it isn't true) , but it has no evidence to back it up so it is doesn't have a lot of value. If I say "the sky is bright green but that's just my opinion" it doesn't make it a reasonable thing to say. It is clearly a lie because it can be disproven. Saying it just an 'opinion'' is a little disingenuous.
Also anecdotal evidence in the form of personal experience is not a reasonable way to make statements of fact, which require large datasets to prove. How many idiots have you heard saying climate change is not real, because it was cold on a specific day they experienced. It is embarrassing and illustrates a complete lack of critical thinking.
You may have received a couple of broken models, but unless you're buying thousands of models or are a major retailer you cannot say 'NG has been producing models at higher rates with broken stabilizer or landing gears, smudged paint, and missing antennas. Even scratches.'. It is impossible to prove with the data you have.
Likewise I don't need to prove that something doesn't exist. He made the statement - he needs to prove it. This is Russell's Teapot - the burden of proof is on the person making the claims - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot
I would also argue that if you're going down the anecdotal evidence route I see at least as many posts about broken GJs as I do NGs, plus as someone buying more models than you (and more NGs than you*) I can tell you my experience doesn't point to the statement having any validity either.
* that's an assumption I admit but a fairly safe one to make
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planes_on_a_shelf
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I'm surprised at the pricing of the GJ products on Jetcollector
Doesn't justify the quality when compared to the competition
Doesn't justify the quality when compared to the competition
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planes_on_a_shelf
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I will second this.
I'm pretty amused by some raucous US-only collectors claiming they're constantly overlooked. Godamnit even PHX and PM are releasing so many US subjects!
There's a the-rest-of-the-world, you know..
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