Am I missing something?

Jazajia

Jazajia

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Okay, so I just posted this over at DA.C because I figured the older crowd over there might be more sympathetic, but I decided that it might be good to get the next generation's point of view as well. Plus, the crowd at DA.C has the enthusiasm of a goldfish, so it would not surprise me if nobody even bothers to comment over there:

Came across this eBay listing of British Airways 747-400 Landor by GJ. It's G-CIVI from 2013, not G-BNLY.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11706849172...gAAeSwU8Fpp0W5

Buy it now $59.99. U.S. shipping $14 (reasonable). Good seller. Good item description. It has been sitting on eBay for at least a month, it seems.

Is the Landor-loving generation on the way out? Are people holding out for the new molds (HX, NG)?

This is a very nice model. I am currently working on a comparison between it and the Big Bird version, G-BNLC, and they are very comparable, with pros and cons of each making them equivalent.

I never thought I would come across a sitting duck like this one in this hobby.

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As someone who owns this exact Landor release by GJ, as well as a dozen or so of HX’s 747s, I can attest that an upgrade to the HX mould is definitely worth it. I mean I’ll keep my GJ Landor for diorama fleet-building purposes but the HX mould is leagues ahead. The only problem for me is that the BA 747s are exclusive to ARD and I don’t want to pay for the shipping + duties.

If I visit London then I’ll go to ARD and buy all the ARD BA 747s in an heartbeat, and maybe along with the ARD Concordes too. But then again, I don’t plan on visiting London again anytime soon and don’t see myself flying to the UK just to buy several models. Such are the issues with retailer exclusives.

Personally, I’m waiting to see if other brands will commission HX to do another run of the BA 747s (with different registrations of course) Landor, Negus, BOAC, World Tails and Chatham Dockyards too. But I’m guessing ARD must have an exclusivity agreement with HX to prevent that from happening. If someone is in the know then please correct me on this. But assuming if that is true, then we can only count on NG, which is very focused on its home market right now. So not a safe bet either.
 
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I don't think the BA Landor livery is getting less love. I also think that the ARD version has something to do with it. There is also a NG version approved on the wish centre but who knows when NG will get to actually releasing it.
 
So far, ARD has only announced a 747-200 in the Landor livery. It is reasonable to expect that a -400 will eventually come, and that NG could also step in. But I have reservations. HX production is painfully slow, and NG still seems to be wary of classics, so "bird in hand."

I agree that the Landor livery has not yet lost its shine. The C Model 767 is doing fine. Plus, we are not that old, I'm not even 40 yet. And we still have many active collectors in their 60s and 70s.

Also, remember that just because some releases are exclusive to some retailers, it does not limit them to a specific market. It only means that the retailer controls distribution. You can find ARD models available for retail in the U.S. I have retailed many exclusives.

Thanks for the replies. I see that, indeed, it seems that more people than I thought are monitoring HX and NG closely. This is exactly the reason I asked.
 
Jazajia said:
Okay, so I just posted this over at DA.C because I figured the older crowd over there might be more sympathetic, but I decided that it might be good to get the next generation's point of view as well. Plus, the crowd at DA.C has the enthusiasm of a goldfish, so it would not surprise me if nobody even bothers to comment over there:

Came across this eBay listing of British Airways 747-400 Landor by GJ. It's G-CIVI from 2013, not G-BNLY.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11706849172...gAAeSwU8Fpp0W5

Buy it now $59.99. U.S. shipping $14 (reasonable). Good seller. Good item description. It has been sitting on eBay for at least a month, it seems.

Is the Landor-loving generation on the way out? Are people holding out for the new molds (HX, NG)?

This is a very nice model. I am currently working on a comparison between it and the Big Bird version, G-BNLC, and they are very comparable, with pros and cons of each making them equivalent.

I never thought I would come across a sitting duck like this one in this hobby.

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If it were me personally, I'd be holding out for a release on the HX or NG moulds at this point. I still think the Landor livery is better than the current British Airways livery.
 
Jazajia said:
So far, ARD has only announced a 747-200 in the Landor livery.
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I thought ARD did announce a Landor 747-400... my bad. So the only ARD BA 744 on the HX mould is in the Chatham Dockyards livery ? Then the fact that this GJ one is still unsold remains a mystery (at least to me). Unless it is the NG one on the wish centre which is to blame.
 
Critical Aviator said:
I thought ARD did announce a Landor 747-400... my bad. So the only ARD BA 744 on the HX mould is in the Chatham Dockyards livery ? Then the fact that this GJ one is still unsold remains a mystery (at least to me). Unless it is the NG one on the wish centre which is to blame.
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Correct. So far no 747-400 Landor on the HX mold. The current ARD batch has not reached The West either BTW.
 
Jazajia said:
Okay, so I just posted this over at DA.C because I figured the older crowd over there might be more sympathetic, but I decided that it might be good to get the next generation's point of view as well. Plus, the crowd at DA.C has the enthusiasm of a goldfish, so it would not surprise me if nobody even bothers to comment over there:

Came across this eBay listing of British Airways 747-400 Landor by GJ. It's G-CIVI from 2013, not G-BNLY.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11706849172...gAAeSwU8Fpp0W5

Buy it now $59.99. U.S. shipping $14 (reasonable). Good seller. Good item description. It has been sitting on eBay for at least a month, it seems.

Is the Landor-loving generation on the way out? Are people holding out for the new molds (HX, NG)?

This is a very nice model. I am currently working on a comparison between it and the Big Bird version, G-BNLC, and they are very comparable, with pros and cons of each making them equivalent.

I never thought I would come across a sitting duck like this one in this hobby.

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If I had to choose, I would definitely choose HX. I am indeed waiting for the HX BA 742/744. But there are two problems.

The first problem is that it is an ARD exclusive, which makes it difficult for me to buy, plus the shipping cost is very expensive (although I asked HX if they could release some for sale in China, and they only said "yes," but there has been no other information).
The second issue is production speed. HX has delayed many products. However, this isn't unique to HX; PM and Kylie are also experiencing delays, causing many companies like YY, ARD, CW, Patriot, Geministar, and Z² to postpone new product launches/shipments. It's simply that production speed can't keep up with the surge in orders. All we can do is wait. 😑
About NG....They are still continuing to mass-produce modern aircraft, and have reservations about classic aircraft (←they haven't even released the A340 yet)...so we can only wait for them to change their minds.
 
qweyrhgf said:
About NG....They are still continuing to mass-produce modern aircraft, and have reservations about classic aircraft (←they haven't even released the A340 yet)
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Their progress with the A340s are getting ridiculous by this point. The A330’s fuselage and cross section is similar to the A340 in so many ways. Same goes with the wings, too. And the A320 engines-there’s a reason why the -200/300s are nicknamed 5APUs. You might think that it’s easy for NG to fine-tune the A340 moulds and release some models, but no, they don’t want to risk it. The poor sales of older jets such as their Tupolevs is probably a leading cause for the A340 receiving no priority. Such a shame.
 
New stuff sells, most people who buy these things don’t care which aircraft and liveries were iconic 20+ years ago. NPC twins are what folks see today and flashy specials are “cool,” so those fly off the shelves.

I was miffed to see my beloved 2000s NG CRP wishes consistently get ignored, but it is what it is…
 
As someone who’s really in the market for BA 747s right now, I’m just going to hold out for the ARD Exclusives at this point. If i’m gonna spend 75$ or more on a model, i’d rather it have the bells and whistles of a modern model. Obviously shipping/tarrifs from ARD to the US is the hard part (which if you can do anything about that @Jazajia 😉 i’m all ears) and i’m willing to be patient overall to get the right things. That’s all it comes down to for me.

Some of the old molds are really great but if i’m still spending 70+ on a model i’d hope it’s a rare item that will almost never lose that value, part of a deep collection criteria, or something that desired and nothing else is available. BA 747s will always be made every so often as they’re so iconic and even after the ARD batches I presume someone else will come by and do another round of 747s (hopefully on something as good or better than HX but who knows)
 
Jazajia said:
Okay, so I just posted this over at DA.C because I figured the older crowd over there might be more sympathetic, but I decided that it might be good to get the next generation's point of view as well. Plus, the crowd at DA.C has the enthusiasm of a goldfish, so it would not surprise me if nobody even bothers to comment over there:

Came across this eBay listing of British Airways 747-400 Landor by GJ. It's G-CIVI from 2013, not G-BNLY.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11706849172...gAAeSwU8Fpp0W5

Buy it now $59.99. U.S. shipping $14 (reasonable). Good seller. Good item description. It has been sitting on eBay for at least a month, it seems.

Is the Landor-loving generation on the way out? Are people holding out for the new molds (HX, NG)?

This is a very nice model. I am currently working on a comparison between it and the Big Bird version, G-BNLC, and they are very comparable, with pros and cons of each making them equivalent.

I never thought I would come across a sitting duck like this one in this hobby.

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I have to check my Gemini British Airways B747-400 "Landor livery", some years i don't give It satisfaction. Especially because i was focused in Chatam Dockyard livery, with the Union Jack taking the right place on the tail fin.

D.A.C. is like wings900, a Zombie where each day there are about 200-300 guests who read without participating in any way, and three or four members who no longer know what to write or what photos to post, since no one looks at them.
And to think that on D.A.C., some moderators (I'm a moderator on Wings900) even scolded me for posting photos of planes from Rome FCO airport that weren't new... as if it were a vibrant site with active collectors!
I think both D.A.C. and Wings900 have had their day and, for various reasons, have gone bankrupt (database lack, no more activity by disappointed members, disinterest by the owners, a Herpa's staunch defense even when he blatantly makes a mistake/too many mistakes, etc etc)
The owners should pray for people who post photos, threads, and posts, but instead they don't care at all. What a shame.
 
Charter said:
I have to check my Gemini British Airways B747-400 "Landor livery", some years i don't give It satisfaction. Especially because i was focused in Chatam Dockyard livery, with the Union Jack taking the right place on the tail fin.

D.A.C. is like wings900, a Zombie where each day there are about 200-300 guests who read without participating in any way, and three or four members who no longer know what to write or what photos to post, since no one looks at them.
And to think that on D.A.C., some moderators (I'm a moderator on Wings900) even scolded me for posting photos of planes from Rome FCO airport that weren't new... as if it were a vibrant site with active collectors!
I think both D.A.C. and Wings900 have had their day and, for various reasons, have gone bankrupt (database lack, no more activity by disappointed members, disinterest by the owners, a Herpa's staunch defense even when he blatantly makes a mistake/too many mistakes, etc etc)
The owners should pray for people who post photos, threads, and posts, but instead they don't care at all. What a shame.
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The owners of DAC and wings900 are a group that only care about ad revenue. They don't care about making the sites modern or the content being posted. They just buy up these kind of forums keep them running on maintenance only and cream off the money from the ads until the sites die.

Plus of course the choice of administrators, their often bizarre dictatorial rules and probably more than anything the enablement of atrocious behaviour by a small number of users who clearly ought to be banned has scared off a lot of the more active collectors. That's before the rise of social media and general decline of forums is taken into account.

The guests are probably mostly random people who just click on google links from decades ago or bot accounts.
 
YesterAirlines said:
The owners of DAC and wings900 are a group that only care about ad revenue. They don't care about making the sites modern or the content being posted. They just buy up these kind of forums keep them running on maintenance only and cream off the money from the ads until the sites die.
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I'm not afraid to call them out: Vertical Scope. They sure destroy everything they touch. One of the biggest examples is Airlines.net. Funny thing is, I even reached out to them inquiring about formally advertising at DA.C, and they were not interested.

YesterAirlines said:
The guests are probably mostly random people who just click on google links from decades ago or bot accounts.
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I 100% agree. There sure is no new content driving that volume of an audience.
 
Jazajia said:
I'm not afraid to call them out: Vertical Scope. They sure destroy everything they touch. One of the biggest examples is Airlines.net. Funny thing is, I even reached out to them inquiring about formally advertising at DA.C, and they were not interested.
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I didn't realise they owned Airliners.net too. Shame
 
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