NG’s Wishlist System is flawed. Here are my suggestions to fix it.

JJ Skippy

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As has been heavily discussed on the forums, NG’s wishlist system has been criticized for not exactly delivering on collector’s expectations. While some of them have been deemed unrealistic, there’s no denying that it needs some work. Below I have several suggestions that will fix a majority of the issues that it currently has. This is what NG needs to do to make the wishlist system better:

1 - Establish clear-cut criteria on how models get approved
This is the most obvious one, but to start there needs to be some criteria established for what models get approved and which ones don’t. My criteria suggestions would be:
  • A certain number of votes. I’ve seen models get approved with just a handful of votes, yet those with 20 or 30+ votes are seemingly ignored. There are other reasons for models getting approved but I will get to those later.
  • A model has relevance. It can be a new livery or an aircraft that recently entered service or retired.
  • It has enough overall demand from collectors. While votes are the most obvious way to judge interest from collectors, being able to see what collectors are willing to buy based on online discussions or what collectors are saying on their posts would help optimize their choices. Their social media is outsourced but communication can’t be that difficult between them and NG.
If it meets all three then that could be a means of prioritizing that wish for approval or even full production.


2 - Provide a timeline for production
So far there hasn’t been any consistency with lead times for models that get approved to being released. Sometimes they’ve been made right away, other times we’ve waited at least several months. I don’t expect an overnight production to happen with approved models (unless they’re already made, but more on that later), but there shouldn’t be huge discrepancies with certain models getting the green light and not being made for an extended period of time.


3 - Start scheduling regular rounds of approval
NG doesn’t follow a regular schedule of approving models, as it looks to be on a whenever-whatever basis. Doing monthly or bimonthly rounds of approval would better optimize collector’s schedules for casting votes and be able to make one final push for a particular wish to get approved. Having a lot of approved models doesn’t help either, as currently they have more than 200 in the backlog with about 30 being produced, so doing only 5 to 10 every month would help keep the backlog down. At the same time though removing the existing approved wishes would be unfair.


4 - Clarification on models approved based on their production plan
As mentioned, some models get approved with just a handful of votes. A valid case has been made that they were already planning to do that model anyway, so slapping a sticker that says “Approved by Voting” on the wishlist page is very misleading. Therefore, making a different sticker that says something different and applying that to those wishes would help clear confusion. It could say “Planned by NG” or “Already in Production”.


5 - Either disallow fantasy models or make it its own separate category
There’s some divide between collectors on fantasy models, and while it hasn’t been a major issue with the wishlist, a couple have slipped through the cracks. I would make a case to disallow fantasy models, but for those that have a keen interest in them, making a separate category for those would help clear the main list of any fantasy models.


6 - Only allow aircraft types that NG has readily available
Some wishes like the American Fokker 100 and DC-10 have been made, plus there’s a couple A380s on there too (though they are developing a mould for it now), and while having it open to all aircraft types might help NG gauge interest on what moulds to develop next, keeping it to just the moulds they currently have would make it easier to navigate the wishlist and clear wishes that are unrealistic for the foreseeable future.


7 - Create a filter that prevents duplicate wishes from being made
There are a couple of wishes that are duplicated, and sometimes I’ve noticed the votes are very imbalanced on them. One might have 20+ but the other could have 5. If NG creates a filter that would scan the current wishlist when a collector submits a wish and detects duplicates, it would further clear the list. An option to vote on the existing wish would also be helpful so collectors can show their support. This feature would need some time to properly implement since so many variations of liveries exist, like stickers or different tailcones, where true duplicates could be avoided.


8 - After approval, voting needs to be disabled
Once a model reaches a stage where it’s approved by NG, any further votes cast on it should be disabled. Otherwise you run into scenarios where you use up a point on something that, based on the approval, will be made eventually. It’s another one of those deals where it isn’t a huge issue, but those little housekeeping items that get fixed would make the experience so much better.


Overall, the NG wishlist system is a great feature, but it has a lot of flaws and poor execution on NG’s behalf. The above suggestions I think will help make it even more useful for collectors, since right now I haven’t recommended others spend points on wishes due to NG being unreliable with fulfilling certain subjects.
 
#7 already exists when you create a wish. It gives you a warning that your wish might be too similar to an existing one and shows you the entries. You can still choose to proceed if you know it is actually different. So it is on the wisher not NG.
 
1 - Establish clear-cut criteria on how models get approved
This is the most obvious one, but to start there needs to be some criteria established for what models get approved and which ones don’t. My criteria suggestions would be:
  • A certain number of votes. I’ve seen models get approved with just a handful of votes, yet those with 20 or 30+ votes are seemingly ignored. There are other reasons for models getting approved but I will get to those later.
Yes.
  • A model has relevance. It can be a new livery or an aircraft that recently entered service or retired.
Wildly subjective.
  • It has enough overall demand from collectors. While votes are the most obvious way to judge interest from collectors, being able to see what collectors are willing to buy based on online discussions or what collectors are saying on their posts would help optimize their choices. Their social media is outsourced but communication can’t be that difficult between them and NG.
All this means is that those with the loudest voice or opinions get what they want, I also think it would this would skew ironically towards chinese releases.
2 - Provide a timeline for production
So far there hasn’t been any consistency with lead times for models that get approved to being released. Sometimes they’ve been made right away, other times we’ve waited at least several months. I don’t expect an overnight production to happen with approved models (unless they’re already made, but more on that later), but there shouldn’t be huge discrepancies with certain models getting the green light and not being made for an extended period of time.

3 - Start scheduling regular rounds of approval
NG doesn’t follow a regular schedule of approving models, as it looks to be on a whenever-whatever basis. Doing monthly or bimonthly rounds of approval would better optimize collector’s schedules for casting votes and be able to make one final push for a particular wish to get approved. Having a lot of approved models doesn’t help either, as currently they have more than 200 in the backlog with about 30 being produced, so doing only 5 to 10 every month would help keep the backlog down. At the same time though removing the existing approved wishes would be unfair.

4 - Clarification on models approved based on their production plan
As mentioned, some models get approved with just a handful of votes. A valid case has been made that they were already planning to do that model anyway, so slapping a sticker that says “Approved by Voting” on the wishlist page is very misleading. Therefore, making a different sticker that says something different and applying that to those wishes would help clear confusion. It could say “Planned by NG” or “Already in Production”.
Yes.
5 - Either disallow fantasy models or make it its own separate category
There’s some divide between collectors on fantasy models, and while it hasn’t been a major issue with the wishlist, a couple have slipped through the cracks. I would make a case to disallow fantasy models, but for those that have a keen interest in them, making a separate category for those would help clear the main list of any fantasy models.

6 - Only allow aircraft types that NG has readily available
Some wishes like the American Fokker 100 and DC-10 have been made, plus there’s a couple A380s on there too (though they are developing a mould for it now), and while having it open to all aircraft types might help NG gauge interest on what moulds to develop next, keeping it to just the moulds they currently have would make it easier to navigate the wishlist and clear wishes that are unrealistic for the foreseeable future.
Why gate keep? If someone wants to spend their vote or wish on something fantasy let them.

7 - Create a filter that prevents duplicate wishes from being made
There are a couple of wishes that are duplicated, and sometimes I’ve noticed the votes are very imbalanced on them. One might have 20+ but the other could have 5. If NG creates a filter that would scan the current wishlist when a collector submits a wish and detects duplicates, it would further clear the list. An option to vote on the existing wish would also be helpful so collectors can show their support. This feature would need some time to properly implement since so many variations of liveries exist, like stickers or different tailcones, where true duplicates could be avoided.
Would different registrations or configurations count as duplicates? You know how many times I've seen someone b!tch and moan because it wasn't the "right" variation.
8 - After approval, voting needs to be disabled
Once a model reaches a stage where it’s approved by NG, any further votes cast on it should be disabled. Otherwise you run into scenarios where you use up a point on something that, based on the approval, will be made eventually.
Is reading and seeing the big "Approved" label that hard?
 
BROS 😎 Have you ever considered that the ambiguity around approval criteria and lead times is a feature NG prefers, and not an issue? Like this wishlist system is just a suggestion box thing for them. It isn’t meant to be a “This got X votes you MUST now make it”. Like ultimately they have final say, their own plans, their own capacities, and incorporating as many or as few suggestions as they please is ultimately up to them.
 
BROS 😎 Have you ever considered that the ambiguity around approval criteria and lead times is a feature NG prefers, and not an issue? Like this wishlist system is just a suggestion box thing for them. It isn’t meant to be a “This got X votes you MUST now make it”. Like ultimately they have final say, their own plans, their own capacities, and incorporating as many or as few suggestions as they please is ultimately up to them.
I'm going to put my tin foil hat on for a moment so bear with me... If NG Models produces X amount of models let's say every year, that means each model produced has roughly a specific amount of CRP points to go with each model. So, you could technically figure out how many CRP points are floating around in the marketplace / in collectors' possession that could be used to go toward free exchange products. You could consider how many unused points NG has put out onto the market that are just sitting waiting to be used and in reality, is a liability to NG since the CRP program undoubtedly has a cost to bare by giving out free models in exchange. In summary, what if the suggestion box is a roundabout way for NG to reclaim points from collectors knowing that they won't be able to produce some of the requested models for some time which allows them to absorb the overall cost of conducting the CRP program. This may be far out there... but other companies with loyalty programs do have systems that cause loyalty points to expire or be consumed in some way or another if not used so the cost burden isnt too much to bare. Just some food for thought.
 
I'm going to put my tin foil hat on for a moment so bear with me... If NG Models produces X amount of models let's say every year, that means each model produced has roughly a specific amount of CRP points to go with each model. So, you could technically figure out how many CRP points are floating around in the marketplace / in collectors' possession that could be used to go toward free exchange products. You could consider how many unused points NG has put out onto the market that are just sitting waiting to be used and in reality, is a liability to NG since the CRP program undoubtedly has a cost to bare by giving out free models in exchange. In summary, what if the suggestion box is a roundabout way for NG to reclaim points from collectors knowing that they won't be able to produce some of the requested models for some time which allows them to absorb the overall cost of conducting the CRP program. This may be far out there... but other companies with loyalty programs do have systems that cause loyalty points to expire or be consumed in some way or another if not used so the cost burden isnt too much to bare. Just some food for thought.

BRO 😎 Totally! I think it is pretty obvious that when they use the same currency, that is the intention. It’s not like NG consulted economists about creating just the right balance of currency creation and spending to sustainably and regularly fulfill wishes and reward gifts so they wouldn’t get in trouble. They built an intentionally ambiguous system with no hard and fast approval/production criteria and with sinks to take away points by joining wishes. This means they are never forced to do something they don’t want to do. The wishes are just suggestions. I never was under any other illusions.
 
100% agree with everything! However, regarding duplicates:
7 - Create a filter that prevents duplicate wishes from being made
There are a couple of wishes that are duplicated, and sometimes I’ve noticed the votes are very imbalanced on them. One might have 20+ but the other could have 5. If NG creates a filter that would scan the current wishlist when a collector submits a wish and detects duplicates, it would further clear the list. An option to vote on the existing wish would also be helpful so collectors can show their support. This feature would need some time to properly implement since so many variations of liveries exist, like stickers or different tailcones, where true duplicates could be avoided.
They should also consider the fact that airlines may use different configurations, with different window plugs config for the same aircraft. A lot of collectors, including myself, care a lot about different config for multiple reasons. For exemple, airlines will use different config for different destinations, which matters a lot for those who have airport models. An airline release a new config (such as AF new La Première) and only few registrations have this config. Also, some people just prefer a specific window config and find it looks better on an aircraft… You know a COI AF 77W is not the same as a 4 class one… I know not everybody can understand these preferences but it is very important for collectors
 
BRO 😎 Totally! I think it is pretty obvious that when they use the same currency, that is the intention. It’s not like NG consulted economists about creating just the right balance of currency creation and spending to sustainably and regularly fulfill wishes and reward gifts so they wouldn’t get in trouble. They built an intentionally ambiguous system with no hard and fast approval/production criteria and with sinks to take away points by joining wishes. This means they are never forced to do something they don’t want to do. The wishes are just suggestions. I never was under any other illusions.

I wouldn't be surprised if the ambiguity was intentional because of what I stated above and what you have just said about this system being a sponge to absorb points.
 
7 - Create a filter that prevents duplicate wishes from being made
There are a couple of wishes that are duplicated, and sometimes I’ve noticed the votes are very imbalanced on them. One might have 20+ but the other could have 5. If NG creates a filter that would scan the current wishlist when a collector submits a wish and detects duplicates, it would further clear the list. An option to vote on the existing wish would also be helpful so collectors can show their support. This feature would need some time to properly implement since so many variations of liveries exist, like stickers or different tailcones, where true duplicates could be avoided.
I 100% agree with all the points made here, especially this one. I’ve had a few duplicates of wishes I’ve made and some of those duplicates getting approved although in one case mine was a specific reg and the approved one “other reg acceptable”. They should have a system to prevent this unless there is a significant difference such as mismatched engines/nosecone, window plug config, livery change etc.

NG seriously needs to review and overhaul the way the wish system works.
 
Just out of curiosity, I used the search function and was able to get the various CRP requests for each MD-80 type
I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to

There are two issues. Firstly, because they foolishly allow people to add MD-81s, 82s, 83s, 88s all as if they are separate it required users to put the effort in to choose the correct type, which of course they were way too lazy to do. So there are 3 separate wishes for the AirCal MD-80 for example (each with a different type). Sames goes for Midwest Express and several others.

That is annoying, but also means the votes have been split. The AirCal has combined well over 30 votes - easily enough to get it into production, but instead none of the individual wishes have enough votes on their own.

The second issue is the search function doesn't work correctly for the MD-80s becaus ethey have been playing around with it. There are some votes in just as MD-80 but even those that aren't don't always show up. You aren't seeing all the existing wishes. For example can you find these two, which once had over 10 votes each:

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Search for 'Antillean' and the wish appears. Search for MD-82s or just scroll through everything and it does not! This seems to only impact the MD-80s but basically some of the wishes are hidden and this is due to the issues with the variant names.

They should have just from the start had MD-80 and MD-87, not allowed people to add their own aircraft types and once it was a mess they should have tidied it up and merged the duplicates. This has had a significant impact on the MD-80 votes.

I put all this to NG twice and they haven't done anything about it. I also talked about it recently here: https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/ng-models-md-80s.html
 
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